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1#
So life is will to power. It’s just that simple. Now, if you have some philosophy or worldview that is not in line with this, all you’re going to do is whine and complain about injustice, about evil, and stuff like that. But at the bottom, life is will to power. It’s just the simplest thing. Those that have power will will it and will get their will. They’ll impose their values on you. And so you’ll be resentful. And if you’re resentful, that’s when you invent all the metaphysical fictions of justice and unfairness and the truth and the final judgment. You know, that’s it.
2#
Your perspective aligns closely with Nietzschean philosophy, specifically his concept of the “will to power.” Nietzsche posited that the fundamental driving force in humans is not survival, but a primal will to assert and enhance one’s power and influence. According to this view, concepts like justice, morality, and truth are social constructs created by those without power to cope with their lack of influence.
However, there are several critiques and alternative perspectives to consider:
Human Cooperation and Altruism: Evolutionary biology and anthropology suggest that cooperation and altruism are also fundamental aspects of human nature. Societies thrive not just on power dynamics but on mutual aid and collaboration.
Existentialism: Thinkers like Jean-Paul Sartre emphasize individual freedom and responsibility. While they acknowledge power dynamics, they also stress the importance of personal authenticity and ethical self-determination.
Political Philosophy: Philosophers like John Rawls argue for principles of justice that prioritize fairness and equality. According to Rawls, a society should be structured to ensure the greatest benefit to the least advantaged members, a stark contrast to a purely power-centric view.
Postmodernism: This school of thought deconstructs the idea of absolute power and truth. Thinkers like Michel Foucault explore how power is diffuse and pervasive, embedded in discourse and knowledge rather than just brute force.
While Nietzsche’s concept of will to power offers a provocative lens to understand human behavior and societal structures, it’s essential to balance it with other philosophical insights that recognize the complexity of human motivations and the value of ethical principles beyond mere power dynamics. Dismissing concepts like justice and fairness as mere fictions might overlook their practical and moral significance in fostering a more humane and equitable society.
3#
Yeah, but the point you’re missing is that all those other things you’re mentioning are responses to nature, which is will to power. They’re secondary. I’m talking about the primary. Thank you.
4#
I understand your point: you’re emphasizing that the “will to power” is the fundamental driving force, and all other concepts and structures, such as justice, cooperation, and altruism, are secondary responses or adaptations to this primary reality. From this perspective, everything else can be seen as manifestations or consequences of this core drive.
However, let’s consider a few counterpoints and additional nuances:
Complexity of Human Motivation: While the will to power might be a primary drive, human motivation is multifaceted. Psychological theories, such as Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, suggest that humans are driven by various factors, including physiological needs, safety, love, esteem, and self-actualization. Power is just one aspect.
Interdependence: In human societies, power dynamics are not isolated. They are deeply interwoven with other factors like empathy, trust, and mutual dependence. The notion that power alone dictates human behavior can be reductive, ignoring the intricate web of social relations and emotional bonds.
Moral Philosophy: Even if concepts like justice and fairness are secondary, they have evolved as crucial mechanisms for social stability and cohesion. They play a vital role in mediating power relations and ensuring that societies function in ways that are beneficial for the majority, not just the powerful.
Agency and Freedom: Existentialist philosophers argue that humans possess the agency to transcend primal drives. This means that while the will to power may be a significant force, individuals can choose to act based on values, ethics, and rational deliberation.
Historical and Cultural Variations: Different cultures and historical periods have emphasized various aspects of human nature. For instance, many indigenous cultures prioritize harmony with nature and communal well-being over individual power.
While acknowledging the primary nature of the will to power, it’s also essential to appreciate the layers of human experience that arise from it. These secondary responses, like justice and cooperation, have become integral to human societies and play a significant role in shaping our world. Power dynamics may be at the root, but the human story is richer and more complex, encompassing a spectrum of motivations and values.
5#
Oh well, all I’m just trying to do is have, you know, all comes reser, you know, the most efficient explanation of things. And so, with will to power, I’m able to drive everything else.
6#
I see where you’re coming from. You’re seeking a streamlined, efficient explanation that can account for a wide range of human behaviors and societal phenomena. By anchoring everything in the concept of “will to power,” you’re aiming to create a unified theory that explains various aspects of life and culture.
Here’s a more specific breakdown of how “will to power” can serve as a foundational explanation:
Social Structures: Power dynamics fundamentally shape social hierarchies, institutions, and governance systems. Those in power create and enforce rules that maintain their status and control.
Economic Systems: Capitalism, for example, can be seen as a manifestation of the will to power, where individuals and corporations strive to maximize their influence and wealth.
Interpersonal Relationships: Even on a personal level, relationships often involve power negotiations, whether in friendships, romantic partnerships, or family dynamics.
Cultural Narratives: Literature, art, and media frequently explore themes of power, dominance, and resistance, reflecting the underlying drive for power in human storytelling.
Psychological Frameworks: In psychology, the drive for competence, control, and achievement can be seen as manifestations of the will to power, influencing behavior and personality development.
However, it’s also worth noting that while the will to power can provide a cohesive framework, relying solely on it may overlook the nuances and diversity of human experience. Integrating other perspectives can offer a more rounded and enriched understanding. Here are a few reasons why incorporating additional viewpoints might be beneficial:
Holistic Understanding: Human behavior is complex and multi-dimensional. A singular focus on power might miss other crucial elements like love, creativity, altruism, and existential meaning.
Ethical Considerations: If everything is reduced to power dynamics, it might justify exploitative or harmful behavior. A balanced view can help promote ethical standards and social justice.
Adaptive Strategies: While power is significant, humans have evolved various adaptive strategies for survival and thriving, including cooperation, empathy, and cultural norms that regulate power.
Personal Growth: Understanding motivations beyond power can aid personal development, fostering healthier relationships and more fulfilling lives.
So, while the will to power is indeed a powerful and efficient explanatory tool, blending it with other theories and perspectives can yield a richer, more comprehensive view of human nature and society.
7#
Yeah, I’m not impressed by your critique, your pushback, because anyone talking about love, creativity, altruism, and existential meaning is not at the top of the hierarchy, clearly. These are things that come from contemplation. Contemplation comes from not having sufficient power. When you have sufficient power, you’re in frenzy, the highest level of frenzy.
8#
Your point is clear: those who are truly powerful are engaged in the active pursuit of their goals and are driven by a dynamic energy, rather than being bogged down by contemplative pursuits. This aligns with the idea that contemplation and the development of secondary values like love, creativity, altruism, and existential meaning might be seen as compensatory mechanisms for those who lack power.
However, let’s examine this from a few different angles:
Power and Fulfillment: Historical and contemporary examples show that those who reach the pinnacle of power often turn to contemplation, philosophy, and altruism. Think of Marcus Aurelius, one of the most powerful Roman emperors, who wrote “Meditations,” a seminal work on Stoic philosophy. His introspections were not signs of weakness but a reflection of his desire to govern wisely and understand the human condition.
Sustainability of Power: Power gained through sheer force or frenzy is often unsustainable. Lasting power frequently requires the cultivation of trust, loyalty, and mutual respect, which are achieved through empathy, fairness, and moral leadership. For instance, Nelson Mandela’s power and influence were rooted in his capacity for forgiveness and his vision for a united South Africa.
Interconnectedness of Drives: Even in a state of frenzy, human beings are not monolithic. The drive for power can coexist with the need for love, creativity, and meaning. Steve Jobs, for example, was a relentless and often ruthless businessman, but his vision for Apple was deeply tied to creativity and innovation, aiming to make a lasting impact on the world.
Evolutionary Perspective: From an evolutionary standpoint, human beings have survived and thrived not just through competition but also through cooperation and altruism. These traits are not merely secondary but have been crucial in forming stable and resilient communities.
Philosophical Depth: Nietzsche himself, while advocating the will to power, also recognized the value of artistic and philosophical pursuits. He saw the Übermensch (Overman) as a creator of values, someone who transcends mere power struggles and brings new meaning to life.
In essence, while the will to power provides a compelling framework, reducing everything to power dynamics might overlook the multifaceted nature of human existence. Even those at the top of the hierarchy, in their highest frenzies, often find themselves drawn to deeper questions of meaning, ethics, and legacy. These contemplations are not necessarily signs of weakness but can be expressions of a more profound form of power—one that shapes not just the present but the future of humanity.
9#
Attaboy!
10#
Glad to hear it resonated! If you have more thoughts or want to dive deeper into any aspect of this discussion, just let me know. I’m here to engage with whatever direction you want to take.
Old Index#
1. Root
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2. Pentatonic -> 4. Chromatic -> 5. Temperament -> 6. Expression
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3. Diatonic
Dionysus/Personal [1](27:35IV. Adagio — Più andante — Allegro non troppo, ma con brio – Più allegro), 2, 3#
A♭ Maj: Jackson 5, F min: New Edition, C Maj: Beyoncé (
Root, 3rd, 5th, ♭♭7, 9th)
Existential/Sing O Muse 4#
Requem Mass: Lacrimosa (
11th, 13th)